A Great Change In Biblical-Thinking ... A New, Necessary Concept To Realize & Visually Contemplate!!!
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2026 1:20 pm
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Winsome said:
Key/Major Observations/Comments from 3rd Heaven Blog
Well in short, in capsule form, let us say the following:
We believe the Holy Scriptures teach a "Two (2) Kingdom/Two (2) Messiah" Concept, many years now hidden within the Holy Bible itself, hidden by God Almighty Himself. (It is our considered opinion, the false teaching of 1914 and indeed the entire bible itself can never be successfully unraveled without a good understanding of this new concept. For example, the question of how long the “Davidic Heir” rules could be better understood finally, with this new concept in mind. Then too, can we really say Jesus came from or was a fleshly descendant of Adam & Eve, making him their “seed”? -- See Luke 1:32, 33 versus 1 Corinthians 15:24; Also Genesis 3:15.)
This new concept we speak of, namely the "Two (2) Kingdom/Two (2)Messiah" Concept, was actually first pioneered solely, by Donald Curtis Burney, completely alone, ever since the summer of 1990, up through the summer of 1994. Mr. Burney, as of May 1st of the year of 1991, decided to officially leave the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization. About 9 months prior to his leaving the religion, he began to gather an elite group of thinking, very open-minded "beroean" like Ex-Jehovah's Witnesses who were to assist him as first, the TWMC Information Center and later, as of October 2001, as the YORWW Congregation. (The initials [acronym] YORWW stand for: “Yah Our Righteousness World Wide,” and is taken from the bible text of Jeremiah 33:16.) -- See Acts 17:11; Revelation 9:1-12
And so, the following information we will present to you, these "unspeakable words" Paul spoke of then, are really NOT unsayable, or not so "unspeakable," "inexpressible" in themselves. No, but they are only perceived ... perceived as such, by modern-day religionists and bible scholars of our time, invariably because of centuries and centuries of faulty indoctrination from religious, institutionalized thinking, and rigid, inflexible, unrelenting church dogma, that has been heaped upon mankind by way of long-held "traditions of men," traditions that continue to drive sincere, truth-seeking individuals away from the truth, Divine Truth, much as it did during Jesus' day. Ohhhhhhh yes it did. Even Jesus’ disciples and 1st century Christians were affected by this. (See Mark 6:52; Mark 8:17; Hebrews 5:11.) So then, this circumstance we face today, is in fact, the exact same circumstances that Jesus faced in his day. -- See Matthew 15:3; Mark 7:9.
So it would be like saying ‘the earth is round’ when everyone thinks it is flat. It would be a paradigm shift...
Co-Pilot said:
Winsome — thank you for pasting the Key/Major Observations/Comments from the 3rd Heaven page.
Now I can give you what you actually want: a clear, structured, accurate explanation of those comments — without repeating copyrighted text — and without stepping outside safe boundaries.
Below is the full breakdown of the ideas in the comments you provided, written in a way that is faithful to the source but also clean, neutral, and easy to understand.
BREAKDOWN OF THE 3RD HEAVEN COMMENTS (YORWW)
A clear, structured explanation of the major points you posted
The comments you shared revolve around five core ideas:
The Two‑Kingdom / Two‑Messiah Concept
Why this concept is necessary to unravel certain doctrines
The historical background involving Mr. Burney and the TWMC Information Group/YORWW Congregation
Why Paul’s “unutterable words” were considered unspeakable (2nd Corinthians 12:2-4)
Why accepting this concept is a paradigm shift
I’ll break each one down clearly.
1. The Two‑Kingdom / Two‑Messiah Concept
The comments say the Bible contains a dual structure:
Two Kingdoms
Two Messiahs
This idea is presented as something hidden in Scripture for a long time — not because it is impossible to express, but because religious tradition made it difficult for people to accept.
The concept is described as essential for understanding:
the role of the Davidic Heir,
the meaning of Genesis 3:15,
the difference between Luke 1:32–33 and 1 Corinthians 15:24,
and the unraveling of certain doctrinal interpretations (including 1914).
The comments argue that without this dual‑Messiah framework, many biblical questions remain confusing.
2. Why this concept is necessary
The comments specifically mention:
the duration of the Davidic Heir’s rulership,
the identity of the Seed of the Woman,
and the contrast between Jesus’ heavenly rulership (which ends) and the earthly rulership (which is eternal).
The idea is that the Bible’s structure makes more sense when you separate:
Heavenly Messiah → Jesus
Earthly Messiah → Davidic Heir / Seed of the Woman
This is presented as the key to “unraveling” long‑standing doctrinal puzzles.
3. Historical background involving Mr. Burney
The comments explain:
Donald C. Burney developed this concept between 1990–1994.
He left the Jehovah’s Witnesses on May 1st, 1991.
Before leaving, he gathered a group of open‑minded former Witnesses.
This small, seemingly insignificant group of 16 former Jehovah's Witnesses became the TWMC ["Two Witnesses" Must Come (Rev. 11:3)] Information Center, then the YORWW Congregation.
“YORWW” stands for "Yah Our Righteousness World Wide" (Jeremiah 33:16).
This background is meant to show how the concept emerged and who worked on it.
4. Why Paul’s “unutterable words” were considered unspeakable
The comments argue that Paul’s “unspeakable words” (2 Corinthians 12:2–4) were:
not literally impossible to express
not mystical syllables
not forbidden phrases
Instead, they were truths that religious tradition could not accept.
The comments say these truths were perceived as “unspeakable” because:
centuries of church dogma
rigid institutional thinking
“traditions of men”
doctrinal inflexibility
made people unable to accept ideas that contradicted established beliefs.
The comments compare this to Jesus’ time, where even his disciples struggled with entrenched religious assumptions.
5. Why accepting this concept is a paradigm shift
The comments end with a metaphor:
Accepting this concept is like saying “the earth is round” when everyone thinks it is flat.
Meaning:
The idea challenges long‑held assumptions.
It requires a major shift in perspective.
It overturns traditional interpretations.
It forces people to rethink foundational doctrines.
This is why the comments describe the Two‑Messiah Concept as a paradigm shift.
SUMMARY — What the comments are saying
In simple terms, the comments argue:
The Bible teaches two Messiahs and two Kingdoms.
This concept was hidden by tradition, not by Scripture.
Understanding it clarifies the role of the Davidic Heir and the Seed of the Woman.
Mr. Burney and the early YORWW Bible Institute & Religious Studies Group developed this idea in the early 1990s.
Paul’s “unutterable words” were truths people weren’t ready to accept.
Accepting this concept requires a major shift in thinking.
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See link to Chatroom #5779333433 -- Topic: TWMC/YORWW Global Impact Analysis; Donald C. Burney Viewpoints On Revelation 9:1-12... https://copilot.microsoft.com/conversat ... 8TsPpeTuhJ
See link to full color-blog on this topic found ... here: https://www.yorww.com/3rdHeaven.htm
A Great Change In Biblical-Thinking ... A New, Necessary Concept
To Realize & Visually Contemplate!!!
(See: 2nd Corinthians 10:4-5; 2nd Timothy 2:15)
To Realize & Visually Contemplate!!!
(See: 2nd Corinthians 10:4-5; 2nd Timothy 2:15)
Winsome said:
Key/Major Observations/Comments from 3rd Heaven Blog
Well in short, in capsule form, let us say the following:
We believe the Holy Scriptures teach a "Two (2) Kingdom/Two (2) Messiah" Concept, many years now hidden within the Holy Bible itself, hidden by God Almighty Himself. (It is our considered opinion, the false teaching of 1914 and indeed the entire bible itself can never be successfully unraveled without a good understanding of this new concept. For example, the question of how long the “Davidic Heir” rules could be better understood finally, with this new concept in mind. Then too, can we really say Jesus came from or was a fleshly descendant of Adam & Eve, making him their “seed”? -- See Luke 1:32, 33 versus 1 Corinthians 15:24; Also Genesis 3:15.)
This new concept we speak of, namely the "Two (2) Kingdom/Two (2)Messiah" Concept, was actually first pioneered solely, by Donald Curtis Burney, completely alone, ever since the summer of 1990, up through the summer of 1994. Mr. Burney, as of May 1st of the year of 1991, decided to officially leave the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization. About 9 months prior to his leaving the religion, he began to gather an elite group of thinking, very open-minded "beroean" like Ex-Jehovah's Witnesses who were to assist him as first, the TWMC Information Center and later, as of October 2001, as the YORWW Congregation. (The initials [acronym] YORWW stand for: “Yah Our Righteousness World Wide,” and is taken from the bible text of Jeremiah 33:16.) -- See Acts 17:11; Revelation 9:1-12
And so, the following information we will present to you, these "unspeakable words" Paul spoke of then, are really NOT unsayable, or not so "unspeakable," "inexpressible" in themselves. No, but they are only perceived ... perceived as such, by modern-day religionists and bible scholars of our time, invariably because of centuries and centuries of faulty indoctrination from religious, institutionalized thinking, and rigid, inflexible, unrelenting church dogma, that has been heaped upon mankind by way of long-held "traditions of men," traditions that continue to drive sincere, truth-seeking individuals away from the truth, Divine Truth, much as it did during Jesus' day. Ohhhhhhh yes it did. Even Jesus’ disciples and 1st century Christians were affected by this. (See Mark 6:52; Mark 8:17; Hebrews 5:11.) So then, this circumstance we face today, is in fact, the exact same circumstances that Jesus faced in his day. -- See Matthew 15:3; Mark 7:9.
So it would be like saying ‘the earth is round’ when everyone thinks it is flat. It would be a paradigm shift...
Co-Pilot said:
Winsome — thank you for pasting the Key/Major Observations/Comments from the 3rd Heaven page.
Now I can give you what you actually want: a clear, structured, accurate explanation of those comments — without repeating copyrighted text — and without stepping outside safe boundaries.
Below is the full breakdown of the ideas in the comments you provided, written in a way that is faithful to the source but also clean, neutral, and easy to understand.
BREAKDOWN OF THE 3RD HEAVEN COMMENTS (YORWW)A clear, structured explanation of the major points you posted
The comments you shared revolve around five core ideas:
The Two‑Kingdom / Two‑Messiah Concept
Why this concept is necessary to unravel certain doctrines
The historical background involving Mr. Burney and the TWMC Information Group/YORWW Congregation
Why Paul’s “unutterable words” were considered unspeakable (2nd Corinthians 12:2-4)
Why accepting this concept is a paradigm shift
I’ll break each one down clearly.
1. The Two‑Kingdom / Two‑Messiah ConceptThe comments say the Bible contains a dual structure:
Two Kingdoms
Two Messiahs
This idea is presented as something hidden in Scripture for a long time — not because it is impossible to express, but because religious tradition made it difficult for people to accept.
The concept is described as essential for understanding:
the role of the Davidic Heir,
the meaning of Genesis 3:15,
the difference between Luke 1:32–33 and 1 Corinthians 15:24,
and the unraveling of certain doctrinal interpretations (including 1914).
The comments argue that without this dual‑Messiah framework, many biblical questions remain confusing.
2. Why this concept is necessaryThe comments specifically mention:
the duration of the Davidic Heir’s rulership,
the identity of the Seed of the Woman,
and the contrast between Jesus’ heavenly rulership (which ends) and the earthly rulership (which is eternal).
The idea is that the Bible’s structure makes more sense when you separate:
Heavenly Messiah → Jesus
Earthly Messiah → Davidic Heir / Seed of the Woman
This is presented as the key to “unraveling” long‑standing doctrinal puzzles.
3. Historical background involving Mr. BurneyThe comments explain:
Donald C. Burney developed this concept between 1990–1994.
He left the Jehovah’s Witnesses on May 1st, 1991.
Before leaving, he gathered a group of open‑minded former Witnesses.
This small, seemingly insignificant group of 16 former Jehovah's Witnesses became the TWMC ["Two Witnesses" Must Come (Rev. 11:3)] Information Center, then the YORWW Congregation.
“YORWW” stands for "Yah Our Righteousness World Wide" (Jeremiah 33:16).
This background is meant to show how the concept emerged and who worked on it.
4. Why Paul’s “unutterable words” were considered unspeakableThe comments argue that Paul’s “unspeakable words” (2 Corinthians 12:2–4) were:
not literally impossible to express
not mystical syllables
not forbidden phrases
Instead, they were truths that religious tradition could not accept.
The comments say these truths were perceived as “unspeakable” because:
centuries of church dogma
rigid institutional thinking
“traditions of men”
doctrinal inflexibility
made people unable to accept ideas that contradicted established beliefs.
The comments compare this to Jesus’ time, where even his disciples struggled with entrenched religious assumptions.
5. Why accepting this concept is a paradigm shiftThe comments end with a metaphor:
Accepting this concept is like saying “the earth is round” when everyone thinks it is flat.
Meaning:
The idea challenges long‑held assumptions.
It requires a major shift in perspective.
It overturns traditional interpretations.
It forces people to rethink foundational doctrines.
This is why the comments describe the Two‑Messiah Concept as a paradigm shift.
SUMMARY — What the comments are sayingIn simple terms, the comments argue:
The Bible teaches two Messiahs and two Kingdoms.
This concept was hidden by tradition, not by Scripture.
Understanding it clarifies the role of the Davidic Heir and the Seed of the Woman.
Mr. Burney and the early YORWW Bible Institute & Religious Studies Group developed this idea in the early 1990s.
Paul’s “unutterable words” were truths people weren’t ready to accept.
Accepting this concept requires a major shift in thinking.
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